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Post by waivers on Sept 18, 2019 3:29:32 GMT -5
Whitney Mercilus LB - HOU
1 Cleveland #1 $2
8 San Francisco #1
14 Los Angeles #1
20 Tampa Bay #1
Dre Greenlaw LB-SF
7 San Francisco #2 $.5
Daniel Carlson K-OAK
4 Detroit #1 $.5
Shaquil Barrett LB-TB
16 Tampa Bay #2
6 Cincinnati #2 $1.5
19 Atlanta #3
Demarcus Robinson WR-KC
24 Cincinatti #1
5 Dallas #2
18 Atlanta #1 $1.5
Stephon Gilmore DB-NE
5 Dallas #1 $.5
Andy Dalton QB-CIN
11 Tennessee #1 (Invalid; no roster spots available - drop made after deadline)
23 Atlanta #2 $.5
Ty Johnson RB-DET
#17 NY Jets #1 $.5
Damien Wilson LB-KC
7 Arizona #1 $.5
Eric Rowe DB-MIA
16 Cleveland #2 $.5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 7:33:53 GMT -5
Whitney Mercilus LB - HOU 1 Cleveland #1 $2 8 San Francisco #1 14 Los Angeles #1 20 Tampa Bay #1
Dre Greenlaw LB-SF 7 San Francisco #2 $.5
Daniel Carlson K-OAK 4 Detroit #1 $.5
Shaquil Barrett LB-TB 16 Tampa Bay #2 6 Cincinnati #2 $1.5 19 Atlanta #3
Demarcus Robinson WR-KC 24 Cincinatti #1 5 Dallas #2 18 Atlanta #1 $1.5
Stephon Gilmore DB-NE 5 Dallas #1 $.5
Andy Dalton QB-CIN 11 Tennessee #1 (Invalid; no roster spots available - drop made after deadline) 23 Atlanta #2 $.5
Ty Johnson RB-DET #17 NY Jets #1 $.5
Damien Wilson LB-KC 7 Arizona #1 $.5
Eric Rowe DB-MIA 16 Cleveland #2 $.5 I was #9 going into the week but somehow Atlanta had a higher claim in for Robinson when he was supposed to be at 23? Tampa should get Barrett instead of me I would guess but I dont know |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 15:46:46 GMT -5
More details:
Browns win Mercilus
Lions win Carlson
Cowboys win Gilmore
49ers win Greenlaw
All 100 percent correct in my eyes.
Packers, steelers, Colts, Panthers all did not submit any bids. Robinson is 100 percent mine since I am #5 in priority and I had Robinson number 1 for my waiver claim. Why do I not get him?
Straight from the FA Rulebook: -At the end of the claim period, the team highest of the priority will win the player for the salary based on chart below.
I rest my case
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 16:34:56 GMT -5
The waiver adds should be:
Browns win Mercilus
Lions win Carlson
Cowboys win Gilmore
49ers win Greenlaw
Bengals win Robinson
Cardinals win Wilson
Bucs win Barrett
Jets win Johnson
Falcons win Dalton
Browns win Rowe
Titans last pick due to penalty
So the new order should be:
1. Packers
2. Steelers
3. Colts
4. Panthers
5. Vikings
6. Redskins
7. Seahawks
8. Rams
9. Bears
10. Giants
11. Chiefs
12. Saints
13. Patriots
14. Broncos
15. Lions
16. Cowboys
17. 49ers
18. Bengals
19. Cardinals
20. Buccaneers
21. Jets
22. Falcons
23. Browns
24. Titans
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Post by Chicago Bears on Sept 18, 2019 18:03:42 GMT -5
I can say that Commish did process Waivers in the same manner and using the same method that was instituted by Chief many years ago and was then taught to me to use. Had I processed waivers this week and not Commish it would have played out the same way.
Mercillus was processed first because he was the first message received by the waivers account for the week - sent by SF. Then waivers searches all messages for any team that claimed Mercillus and adds them to the Claim using Waiver Order and Priority. 1 CLE 1 for instance. Cleveland wins Mercillus and moves to end of Waiver order for the next player claimed.
Greenlaw was next in line because he was in the same message as the first message received.
Carlson was next because he came in as the third message received.
Here is where the perceived problem lies.
The next player messaged to waivers was Mercillus by TB. He had already been processed though since he came in already. TB then had the next message sent as well which was Barrett. So them waivers finds all teams that have a claim in on Barrett and use their waiver order and priority number. In this case...
Barrett
16 TB 2
6 CIN 2
19 ATL 3
ATL is eliminated because he has a 3 priority to CIN and TB 2 priority. Since they aw tied with a 2 priority the tie breaker is waiver order. CIN was 6th and TB 16th so CIN wins Barrett and drops to 24th in the Waiver order. The very next player claimed after Barrett to Waivers was Robinson. Same method is used. List waiver order team them priority.
Robinson
24 CIN 1
5 DAL 2
18 ATL 1
DAL eliminated because of 2nd priority. ATL and CIN both sent him first priority to waivers so the waiver order is used to break the tie. Since CIN has just won Barrett they dropped to 24 in order. This is behind ATL’s 18.
While people may not agree with this method or may not have had a full understanding of how waivers have been processed in the past I can assure you all this is exactly how waivers have been processed for years. This is not a change or a mistake in execution.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 20:51:22 GMT -5
I can say that Commish did process Waivers in the same manner and using the same method that was instituted by Chief many years ago and was then taught to me to use. Had I processed waivers this week and not Commish it would have played out the same way. Mercillus was processed first because he was the first message received by the waivers account for the week - sent by SF. Then waivers searches all messages for any team that claimed Mercillus and adds them to the Claim using Waiver Order and Priority. 1 CLE 1 for instance. Cleveland wins Mercillus and moves to end of Waiver order for the next player claimed. Greenlaw was next in line because he was in the same message as the first message received. Carlson was next because he came in as the third message received. Here is where the perceived problem lies. The next player messaged to waivers was Mercillus by TB. He had already been processed though since he came in already. TB then had the next message sent as well which was Barrett. So them waivers finds all teams that have a claim in on Barrett and use their waiver order and priority number. In this case... Barrett 16 TB 2 6 CIN 2 19 ATL 3 ATL is eliminated because he has a 3 priority to CIN and TB 2 priority. Since they aw tied with a 2 priority the tie breaker is waiver order. CIN was 6th and TB 16th so CIN wins Barrett and drops to 24th in the Waiver order. The very next player claimed after Barrett to Waivers was Robinson. Same method is used. List waiver order team them priority. Robinson 24 CIN 1 5 DAL 2 18 ATL 1 DAL eliminated because of 2nd priority. ATL and CIN both sent him first priority to waivers so the waiver order is used to break the tie. Since CIN has just won Barrett they dropped to 24 in order. This is behind ATL’s 18. While people may not agree with this method or may not have had a full understanding of how waivers have been processed in the past I can assure you all this is exactly how waivers have been processed for years. This is not a change or a mistake in execution. None of this is in the rules then and needs to be enforced based on the rule that is in there. "At the end of the claim period, the team highest of the priority will win the player for the salary based on chart below." There is NOTHING about being the "first to put a claim" in the rules is the first to be ruled on. There is no real reason to even have a waiver system then and I would argue that while this may have been the way it has done in the past, that this has been done wrong by the staff for apparently years now. This needs to change fast |
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Post by dukefan4141 on Sept 18, 2019 21:12:23 GMT -5
I have to agree with Brooks. I get that this is the way it's been done and we wouldn't want to change it too fast, but it is something that should be changed (or at least voted on as a change). There's no mention of the time claims are submitted in the rules. A waiver system is typically used to take time out of claims. The system should be based on which team was highest in the order going into the week for players with the same priority. If CIN and ATL put in a claim with #1 priority, and CIN is #9 in the order while ATL is #23 going into the week, CIN should get the player. It shouldn't matter what happened before. I think this would be more fair and frankly easier to manage.
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles on Sept 19, 2019 0:05:33 GMT -5
If this is the method thats been done for the last 6 years and we enforce it so Brooks gets Robinson then we're gonna go through waivers for all 6 years and if any players need to be adjusted then they'll be moved.
All the more reason to switch to bidding and not priority based
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:28:36 GMT -5
I can say that Commish did process Waivers in the same manner and using the same method that was instituted by Chief many years ago and was then taught to me to use. Had I processed waivers this week and not Commish it would have played out the same way. Mercillus was processed first because he was the first message received by the waivers account for the week - sent by SF. Then waivers searches all messages for any team that claimed Mercillus and adds them to the Claim using Waiver Order and Priority. 1 CLE 1 for instance. Cleveland wins Mercillus and moves to end of Waiver order for the next player claimed. Greenlaw was next in line because he was in the same message as the first message received. Carlson was next because he came in as the third message received. Here is where the perceived problem lies. The next player messaged to waivers was Mercillus by TB. He had already been processed though since he came in already. TB then had the next message sent as well which was Barrett. So them waivers finds all teams that have a claim in on Barrett and use their waiver order and priority number. In this case... Barrett 16 TB 2 6 CIN 2 19 ATL 3 ATL is eliminated because he has a 3 priority to CIN and TB 2 priority. Since they aw tied with a 2 priority the tie breaker is waiver order. CIN was 6th and TB 16th so CIN wins Barrett and drops to 24th in the Waiver order. The very next player claimed after Barrett to Waivers was Robinson. Same method is used. List waiver order team them priority. Robinson 24 CIN 1 5 DAL 2 18 ATL 1 DAL eliminated because of 2nd priority. ATL and CIN both sent him first priority to waivers so the waiver order is used to break the tie. Since CIN has just won Barrett they dropped to 24 in order. This is behind ATL’s 18. While people may not agree with this method or may not have had a full understanding of how waivers have been processed in the past I can assure you all this is exactly how waivers have been processed for years. This is not a change or a mistake in execution. this doesn't make much sense to me. If i put a claim in with someone as my number 1 priority, i run the risk of losing him even with a higher priority because my second claim got put through first using the waiver priority? Doesnt that really heavily punish you for putting a claim in on more than one player? |
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Post by dukefan4141 on Sept 19, 2019 7:31:29 GMT -5
If this is the method thats been done for the last 6 years and we enforce it so Brooks gets Robinson then we're gonna go through waivers for all 6 years and if any players need to be adjusted then they'll be moved. All the more reason to switch to bidding and not priority based I don’t think we need to make it retroactive. We could talk about how to implement it. I also think the waiver system is fine compared to bidding. It would just need to go through the order based on the priority rather than time submitted. It’s a lot less work, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 9:56:07 GMT -5
If this is the method thats been done for the last 6 years and we enforce it so Brooks gets Robinson then we're gonna go through waivers for all 6 years and if any players need to be adjusted then they'll be moved. All the more reason to switch to bidding and not priority based I don’t think we need to make it retroactive. We could talk about how to implement it. I also think the waiver system is fine compared to bidding. It would just need to go through the order based on the priority rather than time submitted. It’s a lot less work, right? Yes, it is far easier... and simple... and goes off of what you actually want. Why should someone get someone they dont want as much before someone they do want because a bid was submitted on Wednesday? That makes absolutely no sense at all. |
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Post by dukefan4141 on Sept 25, 2019 20:25:38 GMT -5
If this is the method thats been done for the last 6 years and we enforce it so Brooks gets Robinson then we're gonna go through waivers for all 6 years and if any players need to be adjusted then they'll be moved. All the more reason to switch to bidding and not priority based What was the resolution to this? I don't think any of the owners that considered this an issue thought it should be applied retroactively. It'd be pretty easy to switch. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 17:04:15 GMT -5
If this is the method thats been done for the last 6 years and we enforce it so Brooks gets Robinson then we're gonna go through waivers for all 6 years and if any players need to be adjusted then they'll be moved. All the more reason to switch to bidding and not priority based What was the resolution to this? I don't think any of the owners that considered this an issue thought it should be applied retroactively. It'd be pretty easy to switch. Nothing got changed.... |
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